When you were a kid, you probably heard the old cliché that “you can be anything you want to be,” trotted out on a near daily basis. But nowadays, we’re living in a world where it’s actually true, thanks to virtual reality — which exists because of the driven, creative people who design and build these new virtual worlds.

In our latest episode of Business Outlaws, Brent Bushnell, CEO and co-founder of high-tech amusement park Two Bit Circus, Brent Bushnell joins BigMike, Chris “Bulldog” Collins and host Jayme Foxx to talk about his experiences turning his ideas into reality.

“Creativity happens at the intersection of domains,” Bushnell explains as he discusses the hard work that goes into being creative. He also discusses how discomfort can push a person to make creative choices and how building a successful business isn’t one sweeping, theatrical move, but rather, a series of choices and learning opportunities. “There are two emotions in entrepreneurship,” he says. “Stark terror and total elation.”

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